A Sudden Fall

A Sudden Fall

It's not clear exactly who this card is for: none of our Chapter 2 rogues, Trish Scarborough, André Patel or Dexter Drake have a high enough combat to reliably pull this off, and Dexter would likely not have exhausted an enemy first. I can't see any of those three loading their decks with combat icons or wanting to spend extra card commits to make this work. The 2xp version A Sudden Fall seems to be the space this card was intended for. This card should have been fight with agility with no bonus and then have the upgrade add combat and +1 damage. The art is pretty great, though!

Time4Tiddy · 255

Deliverance

Deliverance

Spoiler!

I absolutely LOVE the artwork! It's Dr. Rosa Marquez looking back to the Investigators in the final scenario of the Feast of Hemlock Vale right before she sacrifices herself to safe everybody. The determination in the gaze of this stoic woman in the face of death totally grips me emotionally. I get tears in my eyes every time I look at it. I can't appreciate that artwork enough!
GrueneLupenAufheben · 154

Favor of Baalshandor

Favor of Baalshandor

An alternative to Uncage The Soul. But here's my big issue:

If you have no Asset to play, this is a dead card in your hand. Uncage The Soul has two Willpower icons on it. Without a card to combo this with... this is literally useless. I'm willing to take the point of damage to drop a Mystic rocket launcher in an enemy's face by avoiding the attack of opportunity, but outside of an exclusive Chapter 2 cardpool, that lack of Skill icons feels like a dealbreaker.

SoulfireX · 2
There’s also Marie’s ability to, her weakness and scroll of prophecies to discard it to — Django · 5268
Uncage also works on events — HeroesOfTomorrow · 117

Eldritch Tongue

Eldritch Tongue

Can we play event from discard pile twice with Double, Double, or event removed from the game immediately? ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ

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BetterRedThanDead · 1
Nope, "after" triggers when the event is already removed from the game. Should be clear from the FAQs on that card's review page. — AlderSign · 477
Even if both "afters" triggered simultaneously, the event from being removed from the game prevents further interaction with the game during the initiation sequence (https://arkhamdb.com/rules#Appendix_I_Initiation_Sequence). — AlderSign · 477
I don’t think we have a clear rule on this. — Eudaimonea · 9

Katarina Sojka

Katarina Sojka

Re: Olive + Katarina (making an Agatha deck).

This has kind of come up, but I am putting this in a separate post so that (if there is a concise answer) it takes little effort to find the response. This got way longer than expected, but someone out there can probably post a pretty succinct response.

Does anyone have a very concrete example of a by the rules draw using both of those together? Suppose one example for Olive first and one for Sojka first... {then I have a lot of going back and forth on this while typing both possible orders of operation/think the logical use is just use olive first/feels like something sort of eludes me}.

  • Olive then Katarina (very clearly state the plan beforehand/exhaust both) - draw until you pick a symbol, then draw 2 more. Pick 2 of the last 3.

  • Katarina then Olive - State plan. Technically could say draw 18 tokens and use Olive on #19 (if there have been no symbols). Not 100% clear whether I have to draw the first token regularly, to satisfy Sojka (cause otherwise it is the same as Olive going first/making this one basically academic). Pull the 3 for olive and pick 2. If neither are a symbol, additional draws until you get a symbol.

Functionally the best use is?: 1) Get the bonus high enough to overcome any non-autofail outcome. 2) Hope the ones you drew for Olive include a symbol or the autofail (which is sort of a 50/50).

Long story short, I guess I am wondering, does Katarina's requirement exist within the 3 tokens drawn during the the Olive portion?

Tshop01 · 2
I would handle it like a nested sequence. You use Olive as usual and if you resolve the choose tokens you check against Katrina's condition if one is a symbol — Tharzax · 2
Katarina works differently than other 'Reveal X tokens' cards, as Katarinas reveals are sequential, one at a time. Therefore, you don't have to state which token you use olive on beforehand, but you can react on what you see after each reveal. (Alternately, you would have to use her on the first token, because that is the only one you know you will reveal, and then continue revealing, if you don't pick a symbol) — Adny · 1
@Adny: Reading through the card review pages and the FAQs there that sounds incorrect. Especially since "when you would" cannot happen after the triggering condition, which you suggest. — AlderSign · 477
in the review coments, an email with a ruling is mentioned, that confirms, it works as i wrote — Adny · 1
Oof, too bad it's not quoted instead of rephrased. But even with that ruling you repeated it wrong here: You don't get to react to what you see but still have to choose BEFORE you reveal each token in the sequence (which makes sense, I think). — AlderSign · 477
I think you misunderstand the each. It means, before you reveal the NEXT token, so exactly what i wrote — Adny · 1
You literally wrote "after each reveal", that's why I understood it like that. But I think we have reached a consensus now :) — AlderSign · 477